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Fr. Joe Donnelly, pastor of Sacred Heart Church in Southbury, will replace recently deceased priestly dynamo Fr. Philip Cascia as chairman of the board of directors for Waterbury's St. Vincent DePaul Society:

Cascia founded the local St. Vincent agency in 1978. It operates the
largest homeless shelter in the state, a soup kitchen and food pantry, a thrift
store and low income housing.
Donnelly said he will continue Cascia's vision
to help the city's less fortunate.

Fr. Joe is one of the two or three most liberal priests in the entire Archdiocese of Hartford. If he were put in charge of, say, liturgical norms for the Archdiocese, it would not be a cause for celebration. But St. Vincent DePaul seems like a good fit for him. And who knows? Perhaps it will leave him less time to encourage his parishioners to join Voice of the Faithful. Up to now parishes under his authority have coincidentally become local focal points for the dissident front group.

(Article & photo from the 3/4/07 Sunday Republican.)

99 comments:

Anonymous said...

Caution: Good works shouldn't be a faith-free zone. In fact, linking dissent and good works is dangerous. Body and soul are one.

Serving the body isn't going to help anyone, eternally, if you "misserve" the soul. Quite the contrary.

Besides, so long as Catholics antagonistic to the magisterium monopolize serving the poor, it worsens the problem of magisterium-friendly Catholics who DON'T serve the poor. And that's no good. As Archbishop Chaput says, on rock-solid Biblical authority, "If you don't help the poor, you will go to hell."

He Said said...

Agreed. But there is a sizeable contingent of dissenters within the Church and they're going to put their energy somewhere. Charitable works is probably where they would do the least amount of harm...which is not to say that they won't do harm.

Anonymous said...

Nah. We're talking about the care of souls. We're talking about the care of God's FAVORITE souls. Remember what Christ said: "He who leads these little ones astray, it is better than a millstone be tied around his neck ..." he didn't say "He who harms these little ones."

He meant don't give dissenters St. Vincent de Paul societies as much as he meant don't give Fr. Feely gymn class.

Here's an idea: How about if dissenting from the Church meant you didn't get ANY position, ANYWHERE, but got your freedoms limited and your duties narrowly defined?

She Said said...

I guess Father Joe is too cool for a collar. sigh.

Holly&PhoenixFeather said...

I like especially what the anonymous poster suggests about limiting the freedom and duties of dissenters......I find it very disheartening that these things continue to go on right under the nose of various bishops. I don't pretend to know how to solve the problem, but a little more vocal commitment on behalf of the higher-ups would benefit many in the flock along with the dissenters themselves.

Anonymous said...

Be careful not to confuse a "liberal" with a "dissenter." They are not the same thing. Let us be clear, there are dissenters on both sides of the ideological debate. For example, those Catholics who believe the Mass of Paul VI is illegitimate are "dissenters" just as surely as those Catholics who believe women could be ordained.

Further, be careful using the label "liberal." In the context of the Catholic Church it means something quite different from that which it means in the political context. A faithful and obedient Catholic, for example, fights for and end to BOTH abortion AND the death penalty.

Finally, do not make judgements as to the liturgical preferences of one priest or another without backing it up with significant data that at shows you have some understanding of liturgy. Your comments to not line up with experience. In fact, I have found Joseph Donnelly's liturgies to be more faithful to the Magesterium than any liturgy in which the presider feels the need to add a "Hail Mary" to the Prayers of the Faithful or the Prayer to St. Michael before the Recessional. Neither of which are in the sacramentary.

Anonymous said...

Having been a member of the Sacred Heart Church community and witnessing first hand the passion and committment that Fr. Joe brings to the faith community here, I am confident that this calling will enhance the lives of those recieving assistance from The St. Vincent DePaul Society. The vitriolic poison spewed in these comments reflects a narrow perspective indeed. Thank God the position was awarded to the right man.

Anonymous said...

Body and soul are indeed one and the poison that leeks from the mouth will kill the soul as is evidenced in some of these blogs. Division within our church might compromise the institution yet fortunatly it will never kill the true Spirit of God.
And that would be a scriptural truth and promise that Jesus spoke to over and over again.
Another truth was illustrated in Matthew 18:15 for those who choose to battle relentlessly against church leadership with uncivil tongues. Maybe you should take a look at FJD's bulletin article last weekend?
After all- this is the Holy season of Lent-a time of "conversion from sin". May the light of Christ remind us all of our ongoing need for repentance and Christ's light. And in a particular way I pray that God will reveal His light that so clearly shines forth in our Pastor Fr. Joe.

Anonymous said...

Exactly how is it determined who is a liberal or their degree of liberalism? What is your measurement tool or experience to rate a diocese? What about Father Joe and his priestly ministry is so objectional that you would criticize his appointment to an area such as serving the poor and God's most needy children. It sounds very desparate and an insidious way to share your divisive poison and paranoia. We all serve and respond to our calls to holiness in our own way. Our Church and the saints help us see that those most holy are not one and the same but as a whole create a body that can serve all and include all. Father Joe has brought The Word to life in our parish by liturgy and example. I have no tolerance for this type of attack while there are certainly more pressing issues in our community than who is more worthy or less worthy in serving the poor. Maybe your efforts would be better spent praying for the future of the priesthood instead of trying to take down a man that has served faithfully for 35 years.

Anonymous said...

I find it revealing that Fr. Donnelly was not familiar with St. Vincent de Paul and all the ministry they offer the poor. The majority of Fr. Donnelly's homilies call us to social justice. Many of us have collected food and money, prepared meals and served at the kitchen, helped clean the shelter, brought food to the pantry. Apparently he has not. Makes me wonder if he practices what he preaches! Lead by example!

HolySpiritRider3 said...

I used to go to Sacred Heart until a few months and I have to say anonymous that you are completely wrong. The man is bordering on heresy.
His abuses of the sacraments at times made me sick. I can't even count how many masses that were considered invalid because he didn't do the epiclisis (sp?). I went to reconciliation with him and he said that I wasn't sinning and didn't give me absolution even though I knew that I had sinned.
His homilies are just as bad. He was more inspired by bumper stickers than the inspired Word of God. His homilies had nothing to do with the Scriptures and was just his way to express his political beliefs. Dealing with him for three years was 3 Years too long. I'm sad that St. Vincent DePaul is going to be in the hands of him. I used to volunteer there but after I left Sacred Heart I've been too busy to help out there. I'll pray that they stay open and for a new priest at Sacred Heart. Please pray for the same. I miss all my friends who still go there and everyday I pray that their souls are protected.

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What did Jesus tell us about being lukewarm? Doesn’t this also include not caring enough to become informed and to seek out the truth??

Priests take a vow to teach The Truth not put forth their own personal views or that of perhaps a mentor like Rev. Richard McBrien of Notre Dame (commonly known to the church as a dissident).

Why would any priest seek to spread doubt and diminish the Eucharist??? It starts with little things and grows …….no more robes, not genuflecting when giving the consecration, changing the mass and readings, intimidating and refusing communion on the tongue, offering and encouraging communion to non Catholics…………. Little things like, only speaking about Life in the context of capital punishment (political agenda or what?), never hearing about Mary except on her birthday when she was held up to be nothing special just like you and I, homilies not relating to the gospel or “unique” interpretations (the account of the Loaves and Fishes couldn’t have happened as the bible tells us it did could it have??.....this would make us “Fundamentalists” i.e. Catholic.....instead we are introduced to things like the possibility of the real miracle being perhaps that the greedy crowd just may have been hiding their own loaves under their tunics……..Jesus, that nice guy, of course inspired them to share).

You know people; we have The Catechism of the Catholic Church, the G.I.R.M and Magesterium that can be easily referenced to verify what we believe. What about the Just War Doctrine, Women in the Priesthood, Chastity, Abortion, Fetal Stem Cell Research, Euthanasia, Same Sex Marriage, Contraception, Married Priests etc………do we just take for granted what we hear and take it as true teaching? We must encourage one another to take the time to look it up. It isn’t hard and it doesn’t take long and we just might learn something, which is always a good thing isn’t it?

Why was over $1Million of our hard earned donations spent on enlarging a church (under the auspices of the priestly shortage we were adding seating ……..instead of adding masses or changing mass times, or including any of the many retired priests in the area who would welcome an opportunity to say mass in a church). So we got about 114 more seats (how much did that cost per seat, around $9000, and couldn’t someone at St. Vincent DePaul’s have made better use of that money to help those in true need. Shame on us for not protecting God’s resources and allowing this to happen, we’re smarter then that!) Rather, Sat. a.m. mass is eliminated and in lieu a “Eurchastic” service is put in place where no priest is needed. So what we really, suddenly, got was lots of office space……for what??.........the failing G.I.F.T program (Why are the children’s’ catechism programs now bulging in some neighboring churches? Where are your friends’ children)?? Hmm, or perhaps the unofficial or even official home of CT’s chapter of Voice of the Faithful (VOTF). Unlikely?

VOTF…….sounds like a nice group with a good cause?? After all aren’t we all appalled at the scandals involving homosexual priests and wanting to do more about it? So initially, “Keep the Faith, Change the Church” might not sound like a bad motto. Unfortunately there are always opportunists and sadly things are not always as they seem. How much do you really know about VOTF that you found out on your own? You can Google these articles to start (Please find out more on your own and it might also be a great idea to speak to unbiased, informed lay and Religious). This is not to say that well intentioned people are not buying into VOTF. They most likely are.

• “An Inside Look at Voice of The Faithful,” by Danny DeBruin
• “When Wolves Dress Like Sheep: A Close Look at Voice of the Faithful,” by Deal Hudson
• “Dissidents Advance Usual Agenda,” by Paul Likoudis

You might also want to read NY Times article from Sunday 9/7/03, “Meeting at Church Not an Option For Many Members of Catholic Group” by Tim Townsend. You will find within that article “The first Connecticut chapter (VOTF) was organized in June 2002 at St. Bridget’s in Manchester.” Who might have been the pastor there at that time??? I wonder if he has yet relinquished what appeared to be a hesitancy to “think with the church?”

Since we are the church, let’s remember to support all our priests in prayer. Their calling is not an easy one.

Anonymous said...

When wolves dress like sheep might be a better tittle for the last blog that attempts to defame Fr. Joe Donnelly an honorable man and priestly servant of God.
I am just thankful for God's promise that good will overcome evil and for Fr. Joe's perseverance to his Calling.
Enough with all the slander my friends-
The prince of darkness smiles upon your attempts to prove Fr. Joe and his vocation wrong.
I invite you to come out of the darkness and reveal yourself and your concerns directly to Fr. Joe- don't continue to hide in the shawdows of our parish. It seems his success incites you and the vibrance that others are experienceing threatens you to the extent that you search for ways to misrepresent the truth. But the reality is that it is God himself who you offend more than anyone else with this nonsense.But please also know that your persistent run of your mouth has exhausted many and revealed what it is you are truly about. And please be more educated about your sources of information in the future, it is far too revealing of your agenda.

Astonished said...

I happened upon this old blog and am digusted. You are all NUTS and indicative of everything that is wrong with the Church. Do you own mirrors? Can you honestly look yourselves in the face after slandering someone like this? I'm sure you are all first in the line for communion, probably daily. What an absolute joke!

Fr. Foley said...

To the anonymous writer who mentioned Fr. Joe doesn't practice what he preaches (social justice) and mentioned bringing food to the shelter - please do not confuse charity and social justice. Both are important, but they are not the same thing. We need less parishes with can drives who consider that social justice. Social justice doesn't bring food to the hungry person, charity does. Social justice is eliminate the cause of hunger to begin with.

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Anonymous said...

To the first commenter: are you suggesting that by serving the body of the hungry poor but not proselytizing them we do no good? Because if that is the case, you are WAY off base. Do you think God truly faults those who will not be called "Catholic"? Why don't you reevaluate your own soul because it seems yours may be quite "misserved" itself.

And just to comment on Father Joe; he is an excellent human being living in the image of Christ's love and compassion for all. All you who defame this man for his acceptance and tolerance ("liberalism" in your own words) be careful what you say- "If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you"

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a few weeks ago.

I would greatly appreciate your personal assistance in this very troubling matter. This woman bully has greatly underestimated my potential to seek out justice and make certain it is fulfilled.

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